Mark Coleman May 7, 2013 2:50 pmHey John,I fully agree that we should be tearing walls down instead of building them up. I'm seeing two things in DEVOPS discussions right now:1. A lot of time spent trying to define what it means. 2. A lot of time spent explaining that this is a cultural movement (as opposed to a technological one) but without anybody really digging that far into subjects that I would expect to be covered in a cultural debate: anthropology, sociology and psychology.As for the first, what is the value of determining the meaning of the term? Are we as a community doing this so that we can more easily educate others about it? Or maybe so we can know what is and what is not DEVOPS in an attempt to fine-tune our focus on the subject?For the latter point, I think we'd be better inviting some professionals in these fields to our meetups rather than trying to figure it out ourselves. After all, we're not the first group of humans to build walls between 'us' and 'them' only to regret it later!Mark Reply