Steve Spear Sep 2, 2022 12:38 amGene. This is super. And cut and paste right into the book text, I think. But seriously, right on an expression of the points so good. Reply
Craig Statham Aug 2, 2022 8:16 pmIf we partition by time then the question becomes what are Miriam and Margueritte doing while Gene and Steve move the couch? If we can't give them other work to do (outside of the room) then their time is lost which becomes a cost. How long will it take for the painters to become productive after Gene and Steve have performed their task? Is there hidden cost in this kind of hand-off? Safely partitioning the space with high frequency updates between the two teams to co-ordinate when it's time to move seems more effective. They work locally in isolation of each other but understand the intent of the collaboration to get the job completed safely in less time. Reply
Nicole Sep 10, 2022 8:43 am… then their time is lost which becomes a cost. When I hear this phrase, I always think of the highway example. When it's at 100% capacity, nothing moves and no one makes any progress. I wonder if that doesn't also apply to our work. We do one task after the other in a completely structured daily routine...if something goes wrong, our whole house of cards collapses. I think we need a discussion again whether 80% utilization is not rather the right measure.You're right, of course, the costs arise, even those who do nothing.But this "free time" can significantly reduce the effort for coordination. Reply
Kent Craig Aug 2, 2022 7:25 pmCommunication, Collaboration, and Coordination - the better you do these three things, the better your chance of success. It is not a matter of more of these three things, but of efficiency and balance. Love your books, Gene! The demise of Sarahs. Reply
Tom Catalini Jul 25, 2022 12:36 pmLove the phrase "coordination costs" which captures the concept well without making it sound to jargony. I wonder about "tracking costs" driven by the practical needs for each person to be aware of status of the other's activities, as this is needed for each coordination method. But also for reporting up to the homeowner or other stakeholders...which maybe begs the question of what is necessary in that scenario. Maybe nothing. But maybe it's critical if other projects are happening in the house, which is the typical case in most environments. Reply
Dinkar Gupta Jul 15, 2022 8:05 pmFirst all, very real scenario for me.. have been there, done that. We also had another party to the mix, a contractor fixing the floor tiles.. so it was a 3 dimensional chaos :-)Two thoughts for consideration. for partition by time, task completion commitments have to be considered, which mean ordering comes in. so.. are we shifting the "in-task" coordination cost to "pre-task" coordination ? Is this really reducing time in holistinc sense or local optimization during work. maybe a good thing as pre-defined agreements are not a bad idea. Its also a matter of trade-off I guess and also availability of both parties to at those times. Do number of coordinating parties help decide whether "pre task" coordination is costly or "in task".. aka shifting from runtime to design time. Plus the idle time (in the context, while other team is working in room.. assumption is they are producitvely using the time. May not be. (OS process and task scheduling scenarios similarity)Partition by space, there number of possibilities exist. However here the determinant is the space itself.Another point.. Does task decomposition play a role here ? I think that's another aspect worth looking at. Can the couch be moved in parts ? Is the paint job a 2 step process where one can be done with couch movement while other not.. so product modularity and process design ?One last bit. "Cost" .. I am assuming we are talking about cognitive and physical effort primarily. However what if material cost & properties play a role.. what if the paint can't wait for long and may degrade if waiting too long after mixing. Reply